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A Blonde A Brunette and a Mic
Season 2 Episode 96 Pleasure vs. Happiness
Have you ever wondered what happens when a 'bomb cyclone' crashes through your town? Join us as we recount the chaos and comedy that ensued when this aptly named storm left us in the dark—literally! From Julee's hilarious self-diagnosis of ADHD (all thanks to a disrupted routine) to an unforgettable escapade at Benaroya Hall, you'll laugh along with our misadventures. Even Mercer Island's affluent residents weren't immune to the storm's whims, and we've got plenty to say about their unexpected sense of entitlement. Our personal stories bring these stormy antics to life, reminding us all of how unpredictably entertaining Mother Nature can be.
Switching vibes, we explore the vibrant world of pleasure versus happiness, ignited by Macklemore's latest performance and his thought-provoking song about Palestine. We spark a lively discussion about the fine line between fleeting pleasures and genuine joy. As holiday season approaches, we're putting a comedic spin on festive chaos—from tales of stolen Christmas packages to delivery driver antics. We ponder whether traditional Thanksgiving meals are worth the stress, proposing simpler alternatives that honor cultural heritage. So grab your coffee and settle in for a mix of humor, heart, and holiday hilarity.
Hey everybody, this is Michelle and this is Julie. Welcome to a blonde, a brunette and a mic podcast. What is our podcast all about, you ask? Well, we're 250 something. Women with life experience and oh bloody to say which is exactly what we're gonna do, right now.
Speaker 2:Hey, michelle, it's been quite a week, hasn't it? It has been quite a week, my little blonde friend, oh my gosh, she's been. Well, we had a big storm. What do they call it? A cyclone storm, a bomb cyclone, like what the hell? I've never even heard that they're getting really creative with weather now Is that? Is that from global warming, or?
Speaker 1:I have climate change or something.
Speaker 2:Anyway, it was a big windstorm and so I could not believe it today. So that was on Wednesday. Tuesday, oh, tuesday, that was Tuesday night, okay. So as we're recording I don't know if you're gonna be listening to this real time people, but it's Saturday so a few days ago there was a storm and I was coming home from work on the east side today, and there's still a ton of businesses that don't even have power yeah four days later.
Speaker 1:I wonder, though, the big ones like the albertsons and trader joe's, those guys all had power, but I mean yesterday I was out and about and I drove past a safeway and an albertsons and neither one of them had power still yeah, it's crazy, yeah, and then mercer island, which is, for all of you that don't know, a a very affluent, affluent area the island, the island, and the island didn't have power.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, which kind of cracked me up.
Speaker 1:The whole island.
Speaker 2:I was talking with my friend, dina, and she lives not far from us and there's a there's a neighborhood over here in Shoreline Richmond Beach area called Innis Arden, here in Shoreline Richmond Beach area called Innis Arden, and there were there were people who had the audacity on the neighborhood app to say they better get over here to Innis Arden first. We should be the priority.
Speaker 1:Oh geez, get their power up.
Speaker 2:I'm like Hello people. I know it's like maybe because she was like well, maybe because they feel like they pay more taxes or something that they could do, that I'm like who are you and why do you feel so damn entitled?
Speaker 1:something that they could do that. I'm like who are you and why do you feel so damn entitled? I?
Speaker 2:have to say I feel pretty lucky. We did not lose power Just for when we were sleeping.
Speaker 1:That evening. Yes, it blinked out plenty of times, enough to make the clocks on the microwave and everything you know, so it did go out for moments more than a few times, but in the end she stayed strong and she stayed on.
Speaker 2:That's right, you know, no flooding, nothing.
Speaker 1:Nothing happened, michelle. We're in good shape, we're talking about the flooding.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I had PTSD from the flooding a couple of years ago downstairs, so the wind was howling so bad that you know the little dogs, Cashie. And then he goes flying under the covers. Yes, Angie, under the covers, he's clean.
Speaker 1:Don't worry.
Speaker 2:In the bed In the bed.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And was kind of shivering and shaking because he could hear, and then the coyotes start howling.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they were really go. I did hear that, yeah, they were really going.
Speaker 2:So what have you been up to besides trying to work from home? That was a new thing for me. I've never done that. I was kind of chuckling about it because you were a little out of sorts.
Speaker 1:I was out of sorts because I don't think I had been sleeping that well. And then you don't know if you're going to have power the next day at work, because it was out where I work, Didn't know if we were going to have power. So you're like am I getting up for work Just to throw threw me out of my regular routine. And yes, I was a little disheveled. I'm still somewhat disheveled.
Speaker 2:She's been having kind of a tough time. So that tells me that you know routine is very important for you to be able to to to do the things that you need to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah See, having ADHD isn't so bad. I can just go with the flow. Okay, I'm self-diagnosing, we know, but when I look at all of these things on TikTok that talk about, like, what you do or what you don't do when you have this thing, it's like I fit every one of those categories, which explains why I drive myself crazy sometimes, or you?
Speaker 1:know, I mean, everything has a title. Now, yeah, right, yeah, maybe it's not ADHD.
Speaker 2:What is it I?
Speaker 1:think we should come up with a different name for it.
Speaker 2:It should be a Julie name.
Speaker 1:Adult dysfunction heavily disordered.
Speaker 2:I don't know. So now you're saying I'm a dysfunctional adult? No, I'm not.
Speaker 1:I'm not too dysfunctional as most of us are Okay.
Speaker 2:So I have to tell you all about my night last night. I was so excited to go to this event, which a lot of people would be like why the hell is she going to this? But it was at Benaraya Hall, which is a beautiful venue downtown where they have the symphony and they have.
Speaker 1:I was going to say typically you think of the Christmas men's choir or the orchestra or the Nutcracker those kinds of events.
Speaker 2:Well, Brian and I had gone one time to he'd gotten tickets to the symphony. I don't know why the hell he did that, Like he was trying to be cultured and like teach us something new. Right, it was from an auction at school and we went and we got basically kicked out because he was talking too much. But it was here at benaroy hall and he really wasn't talking either. He just was like asking a question.
Speaker 2:People turn around hilarious, I know, and he's I'm out of here, so we left. We ended up leaving symphony manners.
Speaker 2:I guess you didn't brush up on those before you went well this was actually an entire like hip hop community in Seattle last night and so it was a fundraiser for this organization called the residency, which is founded out of Seattle about 10 years ago with Macklemore, and he's has several different people that he's worked with to put this organization together and you can see that it's kind of grown over the years you know, and I really didn't know what to expect, because I'm thinking Benaroya, it's probably gonna be pretty chill.
Speaker 2:You know, it was awesome. It's like there were so many different people there, from all different walks of life, all these different ages, all these different ethnicities, and these little kids everywhere and stuff.
Speaker 2:I was really surprised, but they had some awesome new talent and so basically it's like they introduced these new artists, new people, coming up in the community here in Washington and they would do one song and then they'd introduce another one, and so they did several of them like that, and then they had different people speak too, and it was kind of nice because it wasn't like passing a basket around, you know for donations but it's kind of smart.
Speaker 2:They had a QR code up on the big screen and everybody's you know, kind of hitting the QR code on their phone and brilliant, actually, way to do it. But and then Macklemore he performed like three songs or something at the end and, um, he performed the new one, which I think we'll talk a little bit about, maybe in another episode, but there's that new one regarding Palestine, and you know that he had kind of gotten canceled you know because of some stuff that he had done.
Speaker 2:So I want to talk about that, but not today, um cause we have another topic that we're talking about, but it was really it was he. He still played it. So I was. I was happy that he still played it because I think his message, when I listened to it, was actually really good. It had nothing to do with, you know, fuck the United States. It wasn't like that at all which. I think a lot of people just assumed that's what he would be doing.
Speaker 1:Um, but at all, which I think a lot of people just assumed that's what he would be doing, but it wasn't so. When you bought the tickets, did you, did, you know it was that type of event.
Speaker 2:I didn't really know what the event was, or did you think you were going to see Macklemore? No, I knew I was going to be seeing him, but I knew that there were other people that were going to be performing.
Speaker 1:I just didn't know who they were.
Speaker 2:And I wasn't aware that they were going to all be artists, yeah, local artists, so it's kind of a nice surprise. Yeah, of course I got my t shirt to add to my collection. Oh, there you go. Well, I've got my one from from Usher, but it doesn't fit across my boobs, so I'm gonna have to figure it out.
Speaker 1:We get to cut some little slits in it and open it up to just like across. I'll show you, you can like you, you can distress your tea distress the tea.
Speaker 2:And yes, oh, I was just gonna cut the sleeves off and wear it to the gym, but well, you could just yeah, anyways, anyway so michelle had the most amazing idea to talk about uh, the principles of well, I just called it that but the principles of pleasure that's.
Speaker 1:You're just trying to slip a little janet jackson in there yeah, a little Janet Jackson action, but this top she.
Speaker 2:Well, why don't you just tell them?
Speaker 1:Well, no, I just came across something that was talking about pleasure versus happiness and it just kind of caused some thoughts in my head because I've never really contemplated it. You know, intentionally, before the two of course, you know pleasure is, you know, pleasure versus happiness. There is a difference. But really what is that? And kind of why can you have one without the other? I think that you can, but pleasure, as you know, or maybe you don't know, but pleasure is more the short term types of things, right, short term experiences. So you know, immediate and temporary I think of.
Speaker 2:I think of our society today being a society of immediate gratification, and all of that has to do with pleasure.
Speaker 2:It has to do with meeting that need. But when you think about that, really think about it like shopping, as an example, or any kind of addiction that people have, those are all immediate gratification pleasure. They're getting like some kind of endorphin rush sex, whatever, it is some kind of an endorphin rush and then the endorphin rush is gone. Does it add to their happiness? I mean, if you think about just using sex as an example, it's like you know people going out and just having just you know, hooking up with people, right, they don't know them, there's no intimacy, it's just straight up sex, right? Does it really make them, I mean, might be hitting a need?
Speaker 1:That's a sensory, so sensory based pleasure. So, as I was looking at this, yeah, so that would be sensory based pleasure, things like that Sex, eating, entertainment, physical things or like video games, stuff like that yeah that are just that short term, like I said, and those things are sensory based. So you eat that food, you indulge, and then afterwards, yeah, I mean you're enjoying it and you're getting pleasure from it, same with the sex or whatever the entertainment is. That you might be Right, but it's it. There's an end to it.
Speaker 2:Well, unless you continue with the same practice or whatever's going on, and then you have more. It's kind of like when people have addiction You're seeking. That's the pleasure seeking part of it. Because you don't want to deal with the alternative, right yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Which is maybe being empty, feeling empty, or I mean all of those things that I think we do. We do because we enjoy. You know we enjoy enjoying ourselves, whatever it is, whether it's the chocolate chip cookie thing addiction you know that I have or or if it's sex or if it's, you know, playing video games or whatever it's like. We do those things because we enjoy them, but do they really add to our overall happiness? And that's where I kind of step back and go. You know, overall happiness I think there's a lot of things in here, like making a really like, say, for example, a really good meal and sitting with people that you care about. The meal is a immediate gratification in that you eat it and you enjoy it and it's awesome and you're full and everything, but really I think it adds to your happiness and contentment of being with the people that you're with.
Speaker 1:I was going to say there's that bigger picture. Yeah, with pleasure there's those things that vary in intensity as well. So back to the sex thing. Of course, you know an orgasm that's pretty intense, right? Yes, michelle, explain them.
Speaker 2:Explain the orgasm.
Speaker 1:Very different than the pleasure of a good cup of coffee, which I enjoy. I enjoy both of those.
Speaker 2:Could you have a good cup of coffee while you're having an orgasm? Can you imagine, boy, you'd be spilling that shit everywhere? The coffee would be everywhere, I know yeah.
Speaker 1:Get a visual on that one people. But, to your point, you know, like the person that you're with, you know, typically there's a whole lot of things wrapped up in. You know you're talking about sex, so there's, you know, there's that one night stand. But if you're in a relationship, of course, that person that you're with and being intimate with it, you know, and the outcome is that orgasm. You know the, the relationship that you have with that person. Outside of that there is wherein lies the happiness. Same with the just to your point, the cup of coffee. I enjoy a good cup of coffee by myself, but, yes, even more so when I'm doing it with good friend, a good friend or a conversation, yeah, and and the things that come from that.
Speaker 1:Those are the things that bring happiness. The cup of coffee is in the moment and you enjoy it and it's it's pleasurable. But the happiness comes from the outward relationships with the people you know in those moments, maybe our energy in yeah or you know, event like going on events.
Speaker 2:I remember one time I took the. You know I do that with the kids Now they're getting a little older so we won't be doing it as much but I took them one summer a couple of years ago. We went river rafting and it's like the river rafting was fun. Yeah, I suppose the massive spider bite that Andrew got on his leg wasn't so fun. Staying overnight there was fun with the kid, but it was because we were together. I wouldn't have even wanted to do that if I wasn't with them. Yeah, you know. So the the pleasure aspects of enjoying your time together, I think, create those memories.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the pleasure parts are the things that can be fleeting. Yeah, I guess the, the feelings that fade quickly after the source of whatever that pleasure is is gone or removed. You know when the trip is over, you know we're not. We're not river rafting anymore and you know those feelings are gone, but the memories that were made there's wherein lies the happiness.
Speaker 2:Well, kind of like, for example, just using the example I gave you of last night is like music brings me a lot of happiness. It really is like part of my soul and all that.
Speaker 2:So I have these little fleeting things that I do, whether it be listening to certain things or like going to these concerts that we've been to lately and that actually is fleeting, in that it's not it's you know a couple hours, but it brings a lot of happiness because I did like I went to that with a really good friend, we got to hang out, we had appetizers, so it's the whole experience really and but I wouldn't necessarily have had as good of a time if I didn't go with someone else, if I just went to, like you know, go hang out, even by yourself.
Speaker 1:by yourself, that's what I mean.
Speaker 2:A lot of people do that. I think more power to them if they want to. But with me, I mean I totally can. It's just more fun if you do it with someone else, right, you know, a lot more fun, a lot more fun.
Speaker 1:I mean, it triggered a lot of thoughts for me when, just thinking of pleasure, the short term experience versus a happiness then would be the long term fulfillment of a more long lasting emotional state of whatever it is that you're doing, right, not just a fleeting moment, right? Yeah, so many many different things along those lines.
Speaker 2:If you're focused solely on the pleasure aspects of things, too, I think you're. You're staying on the surface, You're not really going deep on things that are, and that's why a lot of people feel alone, or they get to the point where they feel lonely because they're not really investing A lot. I think has to do with connections. Happiness has a lot to do with connections that you have with people and with yourself and with your well. That goes without saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but just the connections around you. I mean, I love spending time by myself. I love to spend. Now I don't want to spend all my time by myself, but I really enjoy it when I get to have like my mom calls it, me time, yeah, when I get to have my me moments where it's just me. I've got the pups, I've got the this going, I'm just doing my thing. I love that. But if I did that every single day, I would be so lonesome because I wouldn't have anybody around me at all and it's like I don't know about you, but I need people.
Speaker 2:I need people. We all need people in our lives, you know, in whatever capacity. So the, the media aspects of pleasure, I think, are things that we're as a society and let me get deep on that for a sec Are only focused on. We're not really focused on and I'm speaking very generally, of course, but we're not really focused on the things that bring happiness. It's more on the things that occupy your time and attention short term. Don't get me started.
Speaker 1:You know, I'm an old fashioned girl, you are an old fashioned girl, you are an old fashioned girl. There's many differences there between how things used to be and how they are now. That, I think, are now very short term pleasurable experiences, Whereas you know things back in the day.
Speaker 2:We didn't know any better, michelle. What I mean? We just didn't know any better. It's like things were much more fundamental.
Speaker 1:That's the beauty, though I know Really and you know what, after our generation, the ones coming up behind us, they're not going to know any different. No, they are not going to know those differences like we do. We're the last generation to know what life was like before the Internet, computers, social media, all this.
Speaker 2:I mean, don't get me wrong All the things.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying they're bad things. They I'm not saying they're bad things.
Speaker 2:They're not, but they can be but they can be If they're not taken in the right context, just like we were talking about, like chat GPT earlier. Yes, and we did have a segment that was on AI and things like that. There are ways for us to be able to utilize that technology that is to our benefit, but I think where the problem maybe runs is that when that's the only thing people are using and that's us.
Speaker 1:That's us saying that and thinking that because we know the meaning behind what those differences are for somebody like, you know, my youngest, who was born in year 2000,. He's not ever known any different, and so I can can, yeah, I know, I'm entertaining for him sometimes well, I think we both are yeah yeah, on on different levels, but so that's kind of like Zoe tonight when she's like trying to get me to go shopping with her. I'm like are you fucking crazy?
Speaker 2:it's Saturday and you want to go shopping at. Bellevue Square like the largest mall in the northwest no, thank you Thanksgiving. I'm sure everything's crazy out there already and so I'm texting her back and I'm going. I do not want to go to the mall, I don't want to find a parking spot, I don't want to have to deal with all those people. I just I don't want to, yeah, and I was like, oh, my god, I sound so old right now. Yes, you do.
Speaker 1:And I was like I don't really care but it's kind of funny because we, you know that's the same, that's. We used to do that all the time and now it's like kind of opposite. I was telling you tonight I was on one of my apps thinking I could just do all my Christmas shopping on here and have it delivered to the house and yeah, the one year I did do that, I had everything done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my packages all got stolen off the front porch.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're kidding.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they followed someone. You know, they followed the truck. I don't even know if it was Amazon. It was like a UPS truck or something. I don't know if Amazon was really.
Speaker 1:Be nice to those Amazon drivers. I know those guys work so hard. They work so hard UPS, FedEx, whatever they are.
Speaker 2:They're delivering packages. Isaac's an Amazon driver.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my, Of course I'm a little biased now.
Speaker 2:My sister is so cute. She leaves like a big bucket of all these different snacks and treats.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's adorable yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, she's got a covered, big covered porch area. So she puts a big bucket out there and a big tray and a note and say please, thank you so much for you know delivering and please take something.
Speaker 1:I love that idea.
Speaker 2:Yeah, why don't we do that? We can, but we don't know where they're going to deliver the package.
Speaker 1:I know I mean we've got literally Even with instructions, Not throwing any shade on those drivers, but For locations.
Speaker 2:They can deliver to the front porch, they can go through the garage.
Speaker 1:We even found them on top of the poop.
Speaker 2:The poop thing, yeah, the little trash can thing yeah just tossed over into the dog yard, or you know, yeah, and then, and then the cottage in the back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he did say he's like well, they're hiring new drivers for the holidays so I was like yeah, so expect more packages in the dog poop bin.
Speaker 2:Well, I, I think they kind of I don't know curse me more than anything else, but it's like we've got literally, it's like they'll go to the cottage.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so there are more than a few places, but I mean I do have it very clearly stated yeah pretty much yeah, so, but I'm just happy to get here. Me too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm just happy to get here and we are thankful for all you Amazon drivers. Yeah, I'm an Amazon, hoe, admittedly, she's becoming one, she's becoming one, I'm getting there yeah. Things sometimes are just a little too easy.
Speaker 1:There's your immediate gratification, yeah for sure it does make me happy. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So people out there, it's like kind of a takeaway from all of this is, as we go into the holidays and all of the times of the year where we are just running and trying to accomplish a lot of things in a short amount of on to bring pleasure, short term pleasure, joy are they really necessary?
Speaker 2:to that overall long term happiness if it's creating massive amounts of stress or arguments or you know, just unhappiness, right, you know? Maybe just avoid some of those things. Yeah, like for Thanksgiving coming up. I've been thinking about this going. Just avoid some of those things. Yeah, like for Thanksgiving coming up. I've been thinking about this going. Why do I feel the need to be cooking all this shit? I'm nobody. I mean, I'm literally going to have three or four people here. They don't care, yeah, so why would I do it? Are you doing it? No, okay.
Speaker 1:What are you going to do?
Speaker 2:I think we're going to end up doing either lasagna rolls or I'm going to get it from Metropolitan Market or one of those places and have a have it all you know, like dinner for four or whatever and heat it up. There you go. I know there you go. My, my sister would be rolling over right now if she heard me, because everything's done very by hand.
Speaker 1:Yeah, traditional, yeah, I get, I tend to do that. I'm the traditional things that I do them, even though people don't like them. I still do them, just because Because they're traditions, because they're traditions. So, like what do they not like? Well, like the sweet potatoes.
Speaker 2:Do you just cook it?
Speaker 1:Is that all you do with it, or do you put like marshmallows on it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do the marshmallows, you know, I've never had that. What I have no desire to taste it, it doesn't even sound good. Wow, I know, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:And if you put gizzards or anything in the stuffing, I won't touch it. It's not in the stuffing, but it's in the gravy. Can you see it?
Speaker 2:Yes, you can see it, so it looks like little mushroom pieces or something.
Speaker 1:Just like little, cut up chunks of gizzard heart gizzard, and yeah, liver, is it gizzard their neck that, no, they're, I mean it's I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Do they have?
Speaker 1:I don't know, but a turkey heart does look like a penis does it really?
Speaker 2:how big is it? Is it like as big as a quarter? What the heart?
Speaker 1:the heart, yeah uh, I mean it just depends on the size of the turkey she knows her sizes very well, depends on the size of the turkey. But I do make giblet gravy which, yes, the heart, liver, turkey, uh, the neck meat and the gizzard all get chopped up and cooked and it's in the gravy and it's so good I mean, I guess if we're gonna like kill them, then we probably should respect the bird and use the whole bird, right, but not if I have to do it, yeah.
Speaker 2:But I mean you can do it, yeah, and I'll, and I'll be clapping for you in the background, I don't even know that I need it. I don't know. I mean, we never really had stuff like that.
Speaker 1:My mom would make things that would be very traditional but had a little Peruvian flair to them. You know Sure Well, and that's what your traditions are. That's the that's the great thing about traditions is they're, you know, different for everybody. There's cultural traditions, of course, but then you know the, the ones that are within the family. I, that's what I love about those is they're so unique and different and special to each individual family.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true, there's a lot of cool things and what you carry on, and does that bring you happiness? It does. That brings me happiness and that's a long-term thing.
Speaker 2:That's a long-term yes, the long-term thing. I'm gonna have long-term happiness just by having my, my kids here yes and at least two of them, and then the girlfriend, and then cute little delilah there you go and uh, and then we're gonna play games and hang out and yeah good, I think I'm literally going over the river and across the pass.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so whatever y'all are doing for your Thanksgiving holiday, I hope it brings you joy.
Speaker 2:Do you have anything else that brings you pleasure that you want to share with us? Or is that like rated PG-13?
Speaker 1:It's probably rated.
Speaker 2:R. Oh, I think it's rated X, probably rated R, oh, so I think it's rated X, but but no, just like to.
Speaker 1:to Julie's point, the. The key differences here are that pleasure is more immediate and happiness is well, and the pleasure is external and immediate right and the the happiness is an internal, long lasting and rooted. You know sense of well-being.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know, and that's what we're all striving for Sense of wellbeing, yeah, and overall satisfaction and emotional fulfillment that that happiness brings. So if, if you're indulging in things that aren't, that might be fun in the moment. You hear that all the time. It's very cliche. So you know, maybe just think twice about some of those things.
Speaker 2:I mean, there's been plenty of things that I've done where I've gone like. I know I'm going to regret this, but I want to do it anyway, right, oh yeah. And then after I'm like, why did I do that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Four kids later.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no comment.
Speaker 1:Anyway, all right, Michelle.
Speaker 2:Well, happy Thanksgiving to you.
Speaker 1:Happy, like holidays. We're going to be in the throes of it.
Speaker 2:Happy Indigenous People's Day, all of it. That's another way of saying Thanksgiving. Yes, it is, because Thanksgiving is kind of a bullshit holiday. It is.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of controversy wrapped around it. That could be a whole episode in itself. Sure could Alright everybody. Alright, well, I'm thankful for you, ms Shelley Billy. I am thankful, grateful and happy.
Speaker 2:Yes, you make me so happy.
Speaker 1:Alright, people have a good one. We'll talk to you next week All right Bye.